1 00:00:24,519 --> 00:00:16,080 [Music] 2 00:00:27,999 --> 00:00:24,529 thank you all this is my first time here 3 00:00:31,089 --> 00:00:28,009 so it's really great I really enjoy the 4 00:00:33,459 --> 00:00:31,099 opportunity to be here and so I want to 5 00:00:37,750 --> 00:00:33,469 talk about something I think is very 6 00:00:39,730 --> 00:00:37,760 interesting about you know is is is I 7 00:00:40,870 --> 00:00:39,740 think a lot of you know quantum 8 00:00:44,710 --> 00:00:40,880 mechanics is something that's very 9 00:00:47,350 --> 00:00:44,720 extremely very difficult to understand 10 00:00:49,410 --> 00:00:47,360 it suggests all kinds of paradoxes and 11 00:00:51,580 --> 00:00:49,420 there are many sort of alternative 12 00:00:54,900 --> 00:00:51,590 explanations and no one's really quite 13 00:00:57,819 --> 00:00:54,910 sure or so far there's no consensus and 14 00:01:00,190 --> 00:00:57,829 one of the one of the things that I 15 00:01:01,900 --> 00:01:00,200 think may be a good way to sort of break 16 00:01:05,800 --> 00:01:01,910 through this is to kind of like look at 17 00:01:07,240 --> 00:01:05,810 anomalous data especially data that has 18 00:01:08,889 --> 00:01:07,250 anomalies especially with respect to 19 00:01:11,230 --> 00:01:08,899 consciousness because some of the 20 00:01:13,749 --> 00:01:11,240 theories of because quantum mechanics 21 00:01:17,050 --> 00:01:13,759 does have a kind of link with 22 00:01:19,270 --> 00:01:17,060 consciousness I think so as far as the 23 00:01:22,029 --> 00:01:19,280 puzzle of quantum mechanics if the most 24 00:01:29,550 --> 00:01:22,039 part revolves around a what's called the 25 00:01:34,350 --> 00:01:31,560 and the measurement problem is you're 26 00:01:37,590 --> 00:01:34,360 probably aware in the standard 27 00:01:40,289 --> 00:01:37,600 formulation there's a standard waveform 28 00:01:43,950 --> 00:01:40,299 the Schrodinger equation sort of governs 29 00:01:46,440 --> 00:01:43,960 the the evolution of the system and then 30 00:01:49,620 --> 00:01:46,450 this changes when a measurement occurs 31 00:01:52,830 --> 00:01:49,630 to reveal the results of whatever the 32 00:01:54,929 --> 00:01:52,840 the results of the experiment but nobody 33 00:01:58,740 --> 00:01:54,939 really has a good idea about how to kind 34 00:02:01,590 --> 00:01:58,750 of formally describe exactly what how a 35 00:02:03,690 --> 00:02:01,600 measurement of some kind changes or 36 00:02:09,240 --> 00:02:03,700 causes the transition from the waveform 37 00:02:12,030 --> 00:02:09,250 to the experimental results so all the 38 00:02:15,750 --> 00:02:12,040 all the theoretical explanations that 39 00:02:18,839 --> 00:02:15,760 have been offered seem to or at least 40 00:02:22,020 --> 00:02:18,849 many of them seem to conflict with sort 41 00:02:25,670 --> 00:02:22,030 of our common sense reality and so far 42 00:02:28,410 --> 00:02:25,680 there's no consensus on on the answer so 43 00:02:31,259 --> 00:02:28,420 as you're probably aware the 44 00:02:33,990 --> 00:02:31,269 conventional interpretation suggest a 45 00:02:36,449 --> 00:02:34,000 kind of quantum superposition even at 46 00:02:39,479 --> 00:02:36,459 macro States Schroedinger sort of 47 00:02:42,300 --> 00:02:39,489 formulated his thought experiment where 48 00:02:45,780 --> 00:02:42,310 a cat might be simultaneously alive and 49 00:02:49,319 --> 00:02:45,790 dead to suggest that there was something 50 00:02:51,240 --> 00:02:49,329 about the standard formulation that was 51 00:02:55,460 --> 00:02:51,250 kind of problematic and sort of clash 52 00:02:58,740 --> 00:02:55,470 with our sense of reality another 53 00:03:01,410 --> 00:02:58,750 another interpretation is the sort of 54 00:03:02,729 --> 00:03:01,420 the many-worlds this comes from the idea 55 00:03:04,740 --> 00:03:02,739 that if we don't really worry about the 56 00:03:08,220 --> 00:03:04,750 measurement problem we can just say that 57 00:03:10,710 --> 00:03:08,230 the Schrodinger equation captures all 58 00:03:15,569 --> 00:03:10,720 the information of all possible quantum 59 00:03:17,550 --> 00:03:15,579 states that that therefore every time 60 00:03:20,879 --> 00:03:17,560 there's a quantum event of some kind of 61 00:03:23,400 --> 00:03:20,889 the universe splits into different 62 00:03:26,580 --> 00:03:23,410 possible worlds or possible universes so 63 00:03:28,470 --> 00:03:26,590 we might actually have a be a multiverse 64 00:03:34,440 --> 00:03:28,480 where you know they're made up of 65 00:03:37,199 --> 00:03:34,450 infinity a number of universes so given 66 00:03:39,990 --> 00:03:37,209 these kinds of maybe rather unpalatable 67 00:03:42,800 --> 00:03:40,000 kinds of visions I'd like to suggest 68 00:03:45,500 --> 00:03:42,810 that we sort of return to this role of 69 00:03:48,410 --> 00:03:45,510 consciousness now as you all probably 70 00:03:51,070 --> 00:03:48,420 know some of the founders early founders 71 00:03:54,559 --> 00:03:51,080 of quantum mechanics did suspect that 72 00:03:57,110 --> 00:03:54,569 consciousness played a role and it's not 73 00:03:59,990 --> 00:03:57,120 exactly something that in the COPE that 74 00:04:02,780 --> 00:04:00,000 the Copenhagen interpretation is von 75 00:04:04,640 --> 00:04:02,790 Neumann Illustrated does kind of suggest 76 00:04:06,740 --> 00:04:04,650 the possibility that consciousness might 77 00:04:09,559 --> 00:04:06,750 be involved in some way and while it's 78 00:04:11,960 --> 00:04:09,569 it's it's generally dismissed or not 79 00:04:16,190 --> 00:04:11,970 given too much weight among physicists 80 00:04:21,259 --> 00:04:16,200 some such as Henry Stapp still advocated 81 00:04:23,810 --> 00:04:21,269 today so a lot of what's missing I think 82 00:04:26,030 --> 00:04:23,820 from this discussion is what's been 83 00:04:29,120 --> 00:04:26,040 happening in the among philosophers of 84 00:04:31,100 --> 00:04:29,130 mind talking about you know asking what 85 00:04:34,310 --> 00:04:31,110 is consciousness how do we experience 86 00:04:37,370 --> 00:04:34,320 anything the problem is is that first of 87 00:04:42,560 --> 00:04:37,380 all there's no real consensus theory on 88 00:04:44,150 --> 00:04:42,570 how consciousness happens second we when 89 00:04:45,560 --> 00:04:44,160 we look closely at the laws of physics 90 00:04:47,719 --> 00:04:45,570 there's nothing in the laws of physics 91 00:04:50,270 --> 00:04:47,729 that suggest or even hints how an 92 00:04:54,219 --> 00:04:50,280 unconscious particles such as electrons 93 00:04:57,890 --> 00:04:54,229 and atoms and so forth become conscious 94 00:05:01,190 --> 00:04:57,900 okay so therefore the only thing really 95 00:05:02,750 --> 00:05:01,200 that might in physics so far that 96 00:05:05,240 --> 00:05:02,760 suggests a link between mind and matter 97 00:05:06,500 --> 00:05:05,250 is actually this kind of some 98 00:05:08,150 --> 00:05:06,510 interpretations in quantum mechanics 99 00:05:11,090 --> 00:05:08,160 that suggests that there's the 100 00:05:13,279 --> 00:05:11,100 consciousness has a role in maybe 101 00:05:15,529 --> 00:05:13,289 collapsing in the wave form so if we 102 00:05:17,330 --> 00:05:15,539 exclude this from the discussion it 103 00:05:20,090 --> 00:05:17,340 seems like we're making the hard problem 104 00:05:22,600 --> 00:05:20,100 even harder the only thing in physics 105 00:05:25,550 --> 00:05:22,610 that has a suggestion we're sort of like 106 00:05:28,400 --> 00:05:25,560 kind of like maybe not examining perhaps 107 00:05:32,050 --> 00:05:28,410 as much as we should another important 108 00:05:36,340 --> 00:05:32,060 point to is that these alternative 109 00:05:39,050 --> 00:05:36,350 explanations they're kind of theoretical 110 00:05:40,640 --> 00:05:39,060 constructions that kind of clash with 111 00:05:42,529 --> 00:05:40,650 our reality but consciousness is 112 00:05:44,150 --> 00:05:42,539 something we experience directly so we 113 00:05:44,840 --> 00:05:44,160 don't have to worry about whether it 114 00:05:46,760 --> 00:05:44,850 exists or not 115 00:05:49,250 --> 00:05:46,770 so I think that that for a number of 116 00:05:53,060 --> 00:05:49,260 reasons that's something that we should 117 00:05:56,490 --> 00:05:53,070 um consider also is as Dean and Roger 118 00:05:58,050 --> 00:05:56,500 and many others have 119 00:06:01,410 --> 00:05:58,060 I'm elated a lot of very interesting 120 00:06:05,400 --> 00:06:01,420 evidence that does suggest some sort of 121 00:06:07,890 --> 00:06:05,410 mind matter interaction significant 122 00:06:10,770 --> 00:06:07,900 effects there's a very robust 123 00:06:13,260 --> 00:06:10,780 meta-analysis for a number of categories 124 00:06:17,730 --> 00:06:13,270 of Sian cleaning Peppa the clairvoyance 125 00:06:20,460 --> 00:06:17,740 and precognition presentiment and there 126 00:06:23,150 --> 00:06:20,470 may be some debate about some of the 127 00:06:26,010 --> 00:06:23,160 mind matter interaction but I think that 128 00:06:28,200 --> 00:06:26,020 the replication issues can be probably 129 00:06:29,820 --> 00:06:28,210 most likely explained by amusing 130 00:06:32,040 --> 00:06:29,830 explanations that are very actually very 131 00:06:34,830 --> 00:06:32,050 consistent with my matter interactions 132 00:06:36,240 --> 00:06:34,840 such as the experimenter effect so I 133 00:06:38,310 --> 00:06:36,250 don't want to say too much more about 134 00:06:40,560 --> 00:06:38,320 this but do the limitations of time I 135 00:06:42,630 --> 00:06:40,570 assume many of you are already aware of 136 00:06:43,980 --> 00:06:42,640 this literature and if not you know just 137 00:06:47,640 --> 00:06:43,990 simply allow me to assume that there is 138 00:06:49,020 --> 00:06:47,650 this literature that exists so also I'm 139 00:06:52,740 --> 00:06:49,030 not going to say a whole lot about the 140 00:06:54,240 --> 00:06:52,750 the different possible explanation of 141 00:06:58,590 --> 00:06:54,250 quantum mechanics I'd like to focus on 142 00:07:02,250 --> 00:06:58,600 three that I think are mostly that there 143 00:07:05,159 --> 00:07:02,260 is some link with consciousness and main 144 00:07:08,580 --> 00:07:05,169 quantum mechanics these are these are 145 00:07:11,690 --> 00:07:08,590 not ad hoc sorts of explanations that to 146 00:07:14,760 --> 00:07:11,700 explain side these are actually 147 00:07:16,830 --> 00:07:14,770 explanations that have been used to sort 148 00:07:19,710 --> 00:07:16,840 of explain the experimental data in 149 00:07:22,290 --> 00:07:19,720 quantum mechanics but also happen to be 150 00:07:24,540 --> 00:07:22,300 very interesting have and have been 151 00:07:29,909 --> 00:07:24,550 cited in in in the site literature as 152 00:07:32,219 --> 00:07:29,919 well so I'll so there's actually this 153 00:07:33,600 --> 00:07:32,229 actually the wave collapse approaches 154 00:07:37,800 --> 00:07:33,610 there's actually in a sort of an 155 00:07:40,159 --> 00:07:37,810 observer emphasized originally Wigner is 156 00:07:42,630 --> 00:07:40,169 associated with it but recently stopped 157 00:07:45,600 --> 00:07:42,640 objective reduction doesn't involve Oh 158 00:07:47,850 --> 00:07:45,610 doesn't involve a observer so it's a 159 00:07:51,450 --> 00:07:47,860 sort of a more sort of an objective 160 00:07:53,820 --> 00:07:51,460 collapse and then there's a there's what 161 00:07:55,350 --> 00:07:53,830 Bohm in highly and also I think staff 162 00:07:59,250 --> 00:07:55,360 has sort of contributed a little bit in 163 00:08:02,400 --> 00:07:59,260 this area to is sort of a way that maybe 164 00:08:03,870 --> 00:08:02,410 you have a way of explaining quantum 165 00:08:06,020 --> 00:08:03,880 mechanics without the collapse maybe 166 00:08:09,510 --> 00:08:06,030 with a more realistic ontology but using 167 00:08:10,200 --> 00:08:09,520 sort of sort of like implicit orders or 168 00:08:14,010 --> 00:08:10,210 hidden order 169 00:08:19,830 --> 00:08:14,020 or non-local and holistic features okay 170 00:08:23,670 --> 00:08:19,840 so so with the subjective waveform 171 00:08:26,070 --> 00:08:23,680 collapse in this case we have sort of 172 00:08:27,740 --> 00:08:26,080 it's it's pretty much very similar to 173 00:08:31,890 --> 00:08:27,750 the standard Copenhagen interpretation 174 00:08:33,600 --> 00:08:31,900 but it's basically just basically we 175 00:08:35,279 --> 00:08:33,610 just sort of like posit that there is an 176 00:08:38,519 --> 00:08:35,289 observer that is sort of causing the 177 00:08:40,769 --> 00:08:38,529 collapse okay so that means that reality 178 00:08:44,370 --> 00:08:40,779 isn't some kind of quantum superposition 179 00:08:48,000 --> 00:08:44,380 until an observation occurs now this of 180 00:08:49,260 --> 00:08:48,010 course raises as you're probably aware 181 00:08:51,630 --> 00:08:49,270 this raises a lot of ontological 182 00:08:52,920 --> 00:08:51,640 questions about what happens to reality 183 00:08:54,720 --> 00:08:52,930 when there's not an observer what 184 00:08:57,750 --> 00:08:54,730 happens on the other side of the in a 185 00:09:00,810 --> 00:08:57,760 far distant galaxy or when in the 186 00:09:03,780 --> 00:09:00,820 universe before humans existed okay um 187 00:09:07,050 --> 00:09:03,790 also this has been sort of invoked to 188 00:09:08,790 --> 00:09:07,060 sort of defend a sort of a dualism or 189 00:09:11,370 --> 00:09:08,800 dualistic version of reality because 190 00:09:13,019 --> 00:09:11,380 often dualism is hard to explain if you 191 00:09:15,600 --> 00:09:13,029 posit there's two fundamentally 192 00:09:18,360 --> 00:09:15,610 different sort of versions of reality 193 00:09:20,310 --> 00:09:18,370 matter in mind the this this kind of 194 00:09:23,940 --> 00:09:20,320 interpretation does lend itself at least 195 00:09:27,600 --> 00:09:23,950 to a possible dualistic point of view 196 00:09:30,420 --> 00:09:27,610 okay so how do we kind of like maybe 197 00:09:31,740 --> 00:09:30,430 tell this story you know make use this 198 00:09:34,019 --> 00:09:31,750 story to make sense of the side data 199 00:09:37,019 --> 00:09:34,029 well Homer might be in a quantum 200 00:09:40,079 --> 00:09:37,029 superposition he might be he might have 201 00:09:43,160 --> 00:09:40,089 an alternative reality or a possibility 202 00:09:46,550 --> 00:09:43,170 where he moonlights as Batman Lisa 203 00:09:49,260 --> 00:09:46,560 observes Homer perhaps she has an 204 00:09:51,600 --> 00:09:49,270 intention that Homer sort of like stays 205 00:09:54,449 --> 00:09:51,610 at home and therefore this sort of 206 00:09:56,850 --> 00:09:54,459 intention might bias the probabilities 207 00:09:59,250 --> 00:09:56,860 in a way that sort of collapses Homer 208 00:10:01,980 --> 00:09:59,260 into the the Homer that she's more 209 00:10:04,800 --> 00:10:01,990 familiar with and if we also suggest 210 00:10:06,210 --> 00:10:04,810 that mind is maybe has some non-local 211 00:10:09,540 --> 00:10:06,220 attributes in this kind of more 212 00:10:11,310 --> 00:10:09,550 dualistic version of mind is not 213 00:10:16,199 --> 00:10:11,320 necessarily just a material thing 214 00:10:20,160 --> 00:10:16,209 perhaps Lisa and Ann and Milhouse share 215 00:10:22,980 --> 00:10:20,170 a sort of telepathic link okay so so 216 00:10:23,610 --> 00:10:22,990 therefore we have we might be able to 217 00:10:25,829 --> 00:10:23,620 account 218 00:10:28,350 --> 00:10:25,839 using this kind of idea you know mind 219 00:10:29,940 --> 00:10:28,360 matter interactions as conscious 220 00:10:33,329 --> 00:10:29,950 intention might influence the direction 221 00:10:35,640 --> 00:10:33,339 of the collapse of the probabilities 222 00:10:37,320 --> 00:10:35,650 within the standard waveform and it may 223 00:10:38,670 --> 00:10:37,330 be consistent with telepathy too if 224 00:10:41,550 --> 00:10:38,680 consciousness is non-local 225 00:10:44,730 --> 00:10:41,560 however in my view it seems to be an 226 00:10:47,910 --> 00:10:44,740 awkward fit with clairvoyance for 227 00:10:50,550 --> 00:10:47,920 example what happens in remote viewing 228 00:10:54,600 --> 00:10:50,560 experiments does that count as an 229 00:10:56,940 --> 00:10:54,610 observation if so it may be that if 230 00:10:58,950 --> 00:10:56,950 especially if clairvoyance is associated 231 00:11:00,800 --> 00:10:58,960 with a lot of unconscious parts of the 232 00:11:05,370 --> 00:11:00,810 mind it may be that we're sort of like 233 00:11:08,640 --> 00:11:05,380 unconsciously causing sort of sort of 234 00:11:10,560 --> 00:11:08,650 these collapses of the wave form okay 235 00:11:12,269 --> 00:11:10,570 and therefore the idea of what's what 236 00:11:15,870 --> 00:11:12,279 what's observation might be kind of 237 00:11:18,360 --> 00:11:15,880 ambiguous also it seems to be kind of an 238 00:11:20,940 --> 00:11:18,370 awkward fit with the pre-sentence and 239 00:11:22,769 --> 00:11:20,950 precognition if we're let's say 240 00:11:26,040 --> 00:11:22,779 observing some future event does that 241 00:11:29,519 --> 00:11:26,050 mean that we're causing a collapse of 242 00:11:31,620 --> 00:11:29,529 that future event but of course the way 243 00:11:34,079 --> 00:11:31,630 the the theory works is that the 244 00:11:36,269 --> 00:11:34,089 collapse is instantaneous so it seems 245 00:11:39,530 --> 00:11:36,279 like it would require us to make maybe a 246 00:11:43,980 --> 00:11:39,540 deviation from our from from the current 247 00:11:46,800 --> 00:11:43,990 from the current theory also I'm not 248 00:11:50,519 --> 00:11:46,810 sure that it can account for the global 249 00:11:52,500 --> 00:11:50,529 coherent project the that data suggest 250 00:11:54,840 --> 00:11:52,510 that participants influencing random 251 00:11:56,610 --> 00:11:54,850 number generator devices through shared 252 00:11:58,019 --> 00:11:56,620 emotions are not aware of those devices 253 00:12:01,110 --> 00:11:58,029 so they're actually having effect 254 00:12:02,730 --> 00:12:01,120 perhaps collapsing you know the the 255 00:12:04,500 --> 00:12:02,740 quantum mechanical probabilities into 256 00:12:06,360 --> 00:12:04,510 ones and zeros 257 00:12:08,880 --> 00:12:06,370 you know shifting the probability 258 00:12:10,470 --> 00:12:08,890 distributions but not being aware of it 259 00:12:12,690 --> 00:12:10,480 suggests that that's also another 260 00:12:16,740 --> 00:12:12,700 deviation from the effect okay so I'd 261 00:12:19,380 --> 00:12:16,750 like to talk about the next one another 262 00:12:21,570 --> 00:12:19,390 category possibility is I don't really 263 00:12:23,460 --> 00:12:21,580 know how to what the best term is but 264 00:12:25,440 --> 00:12:23,470 they're kind of like we have more 265 00:12:27,870 --> 00:12:25,450 realistic ontological explanations 266 00:12:31,860 --> 00:12:27,880 involving some sort of deeper hidden 267 00:12:34,590 --> 00:12:31,870 order okay so bowman highly posit a kind 268 00:12:37,170 --> 00:12:34,600 of implicit order of of active 269 00:12:39,900 --> 00:12:37,180 information which guides 270 00:12:42,180 --> 00:12:39,910 subatomic particles in ways that conform 271 00:12:45,560 --> 00:12:42,190 with the experimental evidence but 272 00:12:48,420 --> 00:12:45,570 without requiring a collapse and so this 273 00:12:51,810 --> 00:12:48,430 might be a version of neutral monism 274 00:12:55,200 --> 00:12:51,820 where mind and matter are aspects of an 275 00:12:57,380 --> 00:12:55,210 underlying neutral substance okay and so 276 00:13:00,530 --> 00:12:57,390 this gives a more realistic ontology 277 00:13:03,660 --> 00:13:00,540 rather than a collapse or sort of 278 00:13:05,730 --> 00:13:03,670 mini-worlds story this this more 279 00:13:08,760 --> 00:13:05,740 realistic ontology is achieved through a 280 00:13:10,860 --> 00:13:08,770 sort of non reductionist a holistic 281 00:13:16,380 --> 00:13:10,870 order that has a lot of non-local 282 00:13:18,660 --> 00:13:16,390 features and step also has a so draws on 283 00:13:21,060 --> 00:13:18,670 whiteheads process ontology and develops 284 00:13:24,330 --> 00:13:21,070 a sort of a framework that sort of 285 00:13:25,920 --> 00:13:24,340 posits a potentia that is a foundation 286 00:13:27,330 --> 00:13:25,930 for reality which i think is a similar 287 00:13:32,010 --> 00:13:27,340 kind of story 288 00:13:33,660 --> 00:13:32,020 okay so I'd like to sort of like express 289 00:13:36,540 --> 00:13:33,670 the story in the following way okay 290 00:13:39,720 --> 00:13:36,550 suppose that we have a kind of 291 00:13:44,000 --> 00:13:39,730 underlying deeper order a foundational 292 00:13:48,300 --> 00:13:44,010 neutral order with with sort of like a 293 00:13:50,730 --> 00:13:48,310 sort of uh pure potentia we're sort of a 294 00:13:52,800 --> 00:13:50,740 precursors of both mind and matter in 295 00:13:57,390 --> 00:13:52,810 this case there's no collapse homer and 296 00:13:59,670 --> 00:13:57,400 Lisa are orbit there's sort of a there 297 00:14:04,020 --> 00:13:59,680 may be some sort of like ways that Lisa 298 00:14:07,500 --> 00:14:04,030 and and and and Nelson share their share 299 00:14:09,600 --> 00:14:07,510 there I'm sorry Milhouse share some of 300 00:14:14,820 --> 00:14:09,610 their thoughts without requiring a kind 301 00:14:17,220 --> 00:14:14,830 of any kind of wave form collapse so III 302 00:14:22,560 --> 00:14:17,230 believe that this story does sort of 303 00:14:24,090 --> 00:14:22,570 like give a kind of give a kind of give 304 00:14:26,280 --> 00:14:24,100 a story that's consistent with all the 305 00:14:27,570 --> 00:14:26,290 various kinds of psych categories that 306 00:14:27,990 --> 00:14:27,580 have suggested that I've described 307 00:14:29,400 --> 00:14:28,000 earlier 308 00:14:30,840 --> 00:14:29,410 for example khalipa the--and 309 00:14:32,210 --> 00:14:30,850 clairvoyance can be understood as 310 00:14:34,230 --> 00:14:32,220 perceptions that underlie the 311 00:14:37,050 --> 00:14:34,240 information and probabilities of events 312 00:14:38,970 --> 00:14:37,060 and experiments presentiments and pre 313 00:14:41,070 --> 00:14:38,980 pre sentience and precognition can be 314 00:14:42,990 --> 00:14:41,080 understood as perhaps unconscious 315 00:14:45,480 --> 00:14:43,000 perceptions of current probabilities of 316 00:14:47,520 --> 00:14:45,490 future events mind matter interaction 317 00:14:49,650 --> 00:14:47,530 can be understood as mental intentions 318 00:14:50,360 --> 00:14:49,660 influencing the probabilities of 319 00:14:52,699 --> 00:14:50,370 standard wave 320 00:14:54,980 --> 00:14:52,709 and the global coherence project can be 321 00:14:57,710 --> 00:14:54,990 understood as shared emotions affecting 322 00:15:02,299 --> 00:14:57,720 the underlying probabilities of quantum 323 00:15:06,350 --> 00:15:02,309 mechanical processes so the next the 324 00:15:08,420 --> 00:15:06,360 next category is Hameroff and Penrose is 325 00:15:10,150 --> 00:15:08,430 a theory of quantum computing in the 326 00:15:12,319 --> 00:15:10,160 brain and this has received a lot of 327 00:15:14,840 --> 00:15:12,329 attention because they have a lot of 328 00:15:17,629 --> 00:15:14,850 ways that in their theory are is 329 00:15:20,299 --> 00:15:17,639 integrating with the with the 330 00:15:22,160 --> 00:15:20,309 neurophysiology I can only sort of 331 00:15:24,350 --> 00:15:22,170 briefly describe some of the sort of 332 00:15:26,660 --> 00:15:24,360 bare-bones aspects of the theory the 333 00:15:29,329 --> 00:15:26,670 Penrose suggests that quantum gravity 334 00:15:32,239 --> 00:15:29,339 interacts with the quantum superposition 335 00:15:33,679 --> 00:15:32,249 to create an objective reduction of the 336 00:15:36,860 --> 00:15:33,689 wave form so conscious a conscious 337 00:15:39,199 --> 00:15:36,870 observer is not required and this 338 00:15:41,689 --> 00:15:39,209 objective reduction in this process 339 00:15:44,480 --> 00:15:41,699 leads to a rudimentary level of 340 00:15:46,100 --> 00:15:44,490 consciousness even you know among rocks 341 00:15:48,410 --> 00:15:46,110 or anywhere out in the physical world 342 00:15:51,049 --> 00:15:48,420 where this objective reduction is 343 00:15:54,429 --> 00:15:51,059 occurring which is a Bic wa tiss now 344 00:15:57,230 --> 00:15:54,439 within the brain conscious experience 345 00:15:59,749 --> 00:15:57,240 there are these they describe the 346 00:16:03,189 --> 00:15:59,759 processes a lot more structured and 347 00:16:07,970 --> 00:16:03,199 organized within the microtubule ohs 348 00:16:09,860 --> 00:16:07,980 tubules within the neurons so we have 349 00:16:13,910 --> 00:16:09,870 the microtubule over these very 350 00:16:17,629 --> 00:16:13,920 microscopic cylinders which are actually 351 00:16:22,329 --> 00:16:17,639 within the neurons which in turn create 352 00:16:25,489 --> 00:16:22,339 this sort of very rich network of 353 00:16:27,259 --> 00:16:25,499 sustained quantum superposition and what 354 00:16:29,720 --> 00:16:27,269 they argue is when the collapse occurs 355 00:16:32,230 --> 00:16:29,730 in a recurrent way that we experience 356 00:16:37,189 --> 00:16:32,240 conscious we experience conscious 357 00:16:39,110 --> 00:16:37,199 experience so in this case we may be 358 00:16:42,379 --> 00:16:39,120 able to account for telepathy and 359 00:16:45,019 --> 00:16:42,389 clairvoyance if the objective reduction 360 00:16:48,319 --> 00:16:45,029 process incorporates non-local 361 00:16:49,519 --> 00:16:48,329 information so it may be that the in the 362 00:16:50,150 --> 00:16:49,529 sort of the precursor sort of 363 00:16:52,009 --> 00:16:50,160 consciousness 364 00:16:55,910 --> 00:16:52,019 there's quantum entanglements with the 365 00:16:57,860 --> 00:16:55,920 environments and therefore we can sort 366 00:16:59,990 --> 00:16:57,870 of like that then then when we're 367 00:17:03,250 --> 00:17:00,000 conscious we sort of like have some 368 00:17:05,500 --> 00:17:03,260 awareness of that non-local information 369 00:17:07,060 --> 00:17:05,510 and Hameroff and Penrose also speculate 370 00:17:10,030 --> 00:17:07,070 that their framework can account for 371 00:17:11,860 --> 00:17:10,040 some of the temporal anomalies such as 372 00:17:14,380 --> 00:17:11,870 pre sentience and precognitive 373 00:17:16,840 --> 00:17:14,390 experimental results I'm not clear 374 00:17:19,930 --> 00:17:16,850 whether this this gives us an easy story 375 00:17:22,210 --> 00:17:19,940 to support telekinesis the direction of 376 00:17:24,550 --> 00:17:22,220 causation of the objective reduction 377 00:17:27,400 --> 00:17:24,560 suggest that physical processes create 378 00:17:28,870 --> 00:17:27,410 consciousness now to be fair to them 379 00:17:30,910 --> 00:17:28,880 they do argue that their objective 380 00:17:32,410 --> 00:17:30,920 reduction or their the orchestrated 381 00:17:35,290 --> 00:17:32,420 objective reduction in the mind does 382 00:17:39,610 --> 00:17:35,300 create a kind of free will or creates or 383 00:17:41,290 --> 00:17:39,620 supports free will but it seems to me 384 00:17:43,540 --> 00:17:41,300 that when we're conscious we're not sort 385 00:17:45,580 --> 00:17:43,550 of in that quantum entanglement that 386 00:17:47,850 --> 00:17:45,590 seems to support that would maybe 387 00:17:50,760 --> 00:17:47,860 support a sort of you know 388 00:17:53,860 --> 00:17:50,770 mind over matter over over distances 389 00:17:56,080 --> 00:17:53,870 also it may not be able to account very 390 00:17:58,390 --> 00:17:56,090 well for the global coherence project 391 00:18:00,700 --> 00:17:58,400 results where participants influence 392 00:18:05,830 --> 00:18:00,710 random devices without being aware of 393 00:18:09,130 --> 00:18:05,840 them okay so so as a conclusion I would 394 00:18:11,290 --> 00:18:09,140 say that examining the side data can be 395 00:18:13,630 --> 00:18:11,300 very useful in making progress toward 396 00:18:16,150 --> 00:18:13,640 understanding quantum mechanics and also 397 00:18:17,980 --> 00:18:16,160 I think in terms of helping us 398 00:18:23,050 --> 00:18:17,990 understand the hard problem of 399 00:18:25,990 --> 00:18:23,060 consciousness now well the framework so 400 00:18:28,540 --> 00:18:26,000 that Bohm in highly and step have 401 00:18:30,880 --> 00:18:28,550 offered it often been marginalized and 402 00:18:33,430 --> 00:18:30,890 ignored and and currently not as 403 00:18:35,140 --> 00:18:33,440 integrated with the neurophysiology I 404 00:18:38,920 --> 00:18:35,150 think the it is a very interesting 405 00:18:41,110 --> 00:18:38,930 framework that seems to be consistent 406 00:18:43,510 --> 00:18:41,120 with all the all the side data at least 407 00:18:45,960 --> 00:18:43,520 the laboratory data that I did I 408 00:18:49,990 --> 00:18:45,970 mentioned earlier hmm 409 00:18:53,170 --> 00:18:50,000 also I think that the side data does 410 00:18:55,750 --> 00:18:53,180 suggest seems to suggest non-local 411 00:18:57,910 --> 00:18:55,760 transfers of information are routed not 412 00:19:00,760 --> 00:18:57,920 just in the the consciousness but also 413 00:19:03,720 --> 00:19:00,770 in the subconscious or the boundary of 414 00:19:06,790 --> 00:19:03,730 the two and this may be problematic for 415 00:19:10,240 --> 00:19:06,800 theories of quantum mechanics that rely 416 00:19:13,390 --> 00:19:10,250 on sort of a conscious observation so 417 00:19:20,260 --> 00:19:13,400 anyway that's kind of my my presentation 418 00:19:20,270 --> 00:19:27,010 we have the little time for questions 419 00:19:32,000 --> 00:19:29,600 thank you very much my name is Leslie 420 00:19:34,160 --> 00:19:32,010 Heyman and I appreciated the overview 421 00:19:36,920 --> 00:19:34,170 that you provided and the questions the 422 00:19:41,440 --> 00:19:36,930 observations you've brought up on the 423 00:19:47,440 --> 00:19:41,450 last point about the interpretation of 424 00:19:53,990 --> 00:19:52,010 theories and recent findings in and 425 00:19:56,180 --> 00:19:54,000 around their work would suggest that 426 00:19:57,770 --> 00:19:56,190 maybe we should be rethinking 427 00:20:01,280 --> 00:19:57,780 consciousness and maybe this has 428 00:20:06,410 --> 00:20:01,290 implications for interpretation of 429 00:20:08,480 --> 00:20:06,420 quantum mechanics they they end up at 430 00:20:11,770 --> 00:20:08,490 the last towards the science of 431 00:20:15,560 --> 00:20:11,780 consciousness conference ended up having 432 00:20:17,540 --> 00:20:15,570 presentations of recent research 433 00:20:20,060 --> 00:20:17,550 findings which would indicate that the 434 00:20:24,500 --> 00:20:20,070 microtubules somewhat consistent with 435 00:20:29,710 --> 00:20:24,510 their theories are basically vibrating 436 00:20:32,420 --> 00:20:29,720 and so in fact the the whole brain and 437 00:20:35,870 --> 00:20:32,430 inside the nerve cells we've got what 438 00:20:36,470 --> 00:20:35,880 they talk about as clocks clocks within 439 00:20:42,460 --> 00:20:36,480 clocks 440 00:20:47,270 --> 00:20:42,470 the whole brain our entire body is 441 00:20:50,390 --> 00:20:47,280 vibrating and as one scientist explained 442 00:20:52,880 --> 00:20:50,400 a beautifully harmonic instrument that 443 00:20:56,300 --> 00:20:52,890 is exquisitely sensitive not only within 444 00:20:59,330 --> 00:20:56,310 itself to itself but to the environment 445 00:21:02,360 --> 00:20:59,340 so that at a subconscious level it's 446 00:21:06,440 --> 00:21:02,370 perfectly possible to pick up 447 00:21:08,240 --> 00:21:06,450 information there's all sorts of 448 00:21:10,790 --> 00:21:08,250 questions about how we do that in a 449 00:21:13,580 --> 00:21:10,800 logical or a coherent differentiating 450 00:21:16,550 --> 00:21:13,590 form and the microtubules may help with 451 00:21:20,780 --> 00:21:16,560 that but I think that your observations 452 00:21:23,150 --> 00:21:20,790 about the inconsistency between their 453 00:21:27,110 --> 00:21:23,160 theories for example in the global 454 00:21:32,270 --> 00:21:27,120 consciousness project I would question 455 00:21:32,860 --> 00:21:32,280 that because a lot of this we're talking 456 00:21:34,180 --> 00:21:32,870 about 457 00:21:36,580 --> 00:21:34,190 consciousness as if it's a specific 458 00:21:38,380 --> 00:21:36,590 thing a set of ideas which i think is 459 00:21:41,820 --> 00:21:38,390 representative of the cognitive function 460 00:21:47,340 --> 00:21:41,830 whereas in fact consciousness may be a 461 00:21:51,610 --> 00:21:47,350 vibrational harmonic effect that is less 462 00:21:53,290 --> 00:21:51,620 about specific words in cognition so I 463 00:21:54,910 --> 00:21:53,300 just wanted to make that observation 464 00:21:57,460 --> 00:21:54,920 because I think you're opening up doors 465 00:22:00,790 --> 00:21:57,470 to conversations where there are more 466 00:22:04,390 --> 00:22:00,800 answers actually then you're allowing 467 00:22:06,240 --> 00:22:04,400 yourself and and us to sort of see but 468 00:22:09,010 --> 00:22:06,250 thank you for the presentation 469 00:22:11,380 --> 00:22:09,020 yeah thank you I was I was at the 470 00:22:13,210 --> 00:22:11,390 conference also and it's very very very 471 00:22:15,940 --> 00:22:13,220 good presentations and I think also 472 00:22:17,799 --> 00:22:15,950 Hameroff might you know argue with 473 00:22:20,620 --> 00:22:17,809 because I know he's very open-minded to 474 00:22:23,800 --> 00:22:20,630 a lot of possible interpretations thank 475 00:22:26,250 --> 00:22:23,810 you thank you very much 476 00:22:29,750 --> 00:22:26,260 [Applause]